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tournement rules
everyone knows that there are no rules in the tournament, but was told it could have 2 replacements
The clan of TR Satha (liar), had the team low as you can see the inscription made in the forum and written by him
SATHA WORDS:
TR enter Turnuva !
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-Beck- 34 lwl
Doreman80 30 lwl
SaThaShMal3aNa 35 lwl
35 + 34 + 30 = 99
first game in the tournament clan TR Played with O sathi + BECK + BELLADONA
Belladonna was the SWAT clan until 10 minutes before the game!
First change made by Doremon Belladona
So far so well! They have more to do a replacement, because you could do two, since they were mentioned in the forum but it was not respected
Second game, the BECK and Belladona not appear, the pos O sathi SHURA kput and 1 minute before the game
3 are replacements, not 2 as had been agreed by the few rules of the tournament
The most annoying of all this is that BERSEKER, a man who I have great respect and will continue to have, allows this to happen under his "beard" ...😲
I've had enough of GunRox for a while, I hope you continue to have fun all ...
One day back, a big hug for all the talons and great friends I made in the game☺I will not mention names, because they are unlike many players as satha, which did not create friends, just a few moderators and administrative roles
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... I know my post will be taken, but who reads it to transmit the word, I have nothing against the moderators and administrator privileges, but I think a shame all this
😡☹😕😲
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I'm not sure I understand...
This is the original roster submitted by the team as on the forum under berserker's post...
11. TR (-Beck-[34], SaThaShMaI3aNa[35], Belladona[31])
There hasn't been another game by TR yet...
Are you saying there was another game with a different roster played?
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😡... 2 replacements
1 REPLACEMENT
DOREMON FOR BELLADONA ( 1 GAME )
2 AND 3 REPLACEMENT
BELLADONA FOR KPUT
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SHURA FOR BECK
3 REPLACEMENTES NOT 2 LIKE SAY IN RULES
PUT KEEP PROTECTION SATHA... THE GUNROX GO END IN SMALL TIME!!! 😲
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You know a 'replacement' is just a player's name right?, they can switch back and forth as often as they want, just with that player. And in this case, there are 2 extra names allowed.
Where are you getting the name Kpuk?
Doremon80 is not considered on the original roster because he didn't show up for the first game.
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chicken, now i'll try to explain in proper english ☺
just a a few minutes ago, another game by TR was finished, against red talons.
in this game, TR participants were: satha, shura and kpuk. kpuk and shura were added to TR clan a minute before the second round, which happened, again, a an hour ago, started.
in the tournament thread, this post by bersereker says:
"Signed in but please note that all players must be in your clan at the beginning of tournament as I see BEEmine still in SWAT. "
as i understand from it, and i really dont understand how it can mean anything else, doesn't mean i'm right i just dont understand, i'll be happy if someone can explain to me, how this DOESNT mean that if you're not in a CERTAIN clan at the start of the tournament, you can't play for that clan until the end.
besides, if the tournament started and you're not in the participants list, then all the lists before meant nothing?
talons tried to follow the rules.
that's why, when today fifi_lg, knutistgut and talons_g_units were offline, we didn't add new members, but played with what we had. and of course we lost because we had only 2 players who could't go beyound 100 cap together. we could easly add a 22 level but we didnt, again, following the rules.
maybe we don't understand everything right, maybe everything was legit. but we need explanation to these questions.
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Thank you for clearing that up. It appears they still only made 2 replacements if I am looking at this correctly. Doremon80 was never a part of this.
in the tournament thread, this post by bersereker says:
"Signed in but please note that all players must be in your clan at the beginning of tournament as I see BEEmine still in SWAT. "
As for the berserker statement, it is interesting because this line was not made on the actual RULES post, it was thrown in at the middle of the long forum we had.
Have you considered that perhaps berserker meant that BEEmine had to be there before the tournament started BECAUSE I intended to play the first game with him?
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doremon was supposed to play, but a minute before the first round they replaced him, because he was offline. does that count as a replacement?
just read the tournament thread from the beginning to end. if you read it, you'll clearly understand, that you need to make a participants list, and a replacement list, at the start of the tournament for each clan. if you're not in that list, you won't play for the whole tournament. if you want i'll give you all the quotes right here which make it seem like what i'm saying right now.
about being it a message in a thread, or part of the rules on the first message, am i wrong to consider every single post of berserker as rules? the whole thread was updated by bers from time to time with new regulations.
about swapping players as many times as you want-wrong. berserker stated clearly, you can swap only 2 times total.
berserker:
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Also to clarify things up - by saying 2 replacements allowed I mean not 2 other clan members, but actually 2 "swaps" between matches."
about the beemine example, it was, at as it was, an example, to clear a universal POINT, which is:
"please note that all players must be in your clan at the beginning of tournament "
what do you understand from this point?
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It sounds like I didn't know the rules myself ☺ It's not my tournament and I didn't do all my homework I guess.
About the "starting roster" - all clan members were supposed to submit a final roster right before the tournament - when berserker posted the game on the forum's first post, it became clear to me who the roster was...
11. TR (-Beck-[34], SaThaShMaI3aNa[35], Belladona[31])
At least this is the way I understood it. As for the post regarding BEEmine, I actually understood it to mean that he was to be on the clan if he wants to play. I did read it to mean "ALL must be on before tournament starts".
I believe "THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME" was that players should play a team of 100-, switch out a couple of necessary, and all be a part of the same clan. In essence, the "spirit" was never broken.
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well, now as everything has been layed out on the table, and all is clear, we hope some explanations can be made, to clear what's going on.
edit after your edit ☺ :
true, i agree that if you look only at the number of replacements, it was legit.
but,
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At least this is the way I understood it. As for the post regarding BEEmine, I actually understood it to mean that he was to be on the clan if he wants to play. I did read it to mean "ALL must be on before tournament starts".
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this exact "ALL" makes the whole difference. you agree that if you notice this ALL, there's only one way of understanding it?
that's the rules we followed. if we did the same as TR clan did, and just added other members before the second round, we could have easly added another 20+ member to our team of 2, and then it would be a 3x3 match, and not 2x3.
if it was a mistake with the rules clearing, then ok, these things happen, but if that's the case, a rematch should be made i believe.
i just want to make sure you understand, that it's not like the rules wern't clear, they were clear, but they were WRITTEN in the forum as i describe them and not as they are in reality, and that's why i believe you can't blame us for not understanding the rules right.
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stop using the nice words, and speak with just logical way.
if its a clan tourny. it means its a tourny that open for clan members only when the clan leader can choose 100 lvl cap player, which in most of the cases it means there will be up to 5 players who can take part of it, if we add the subs.
now, most of the clans replaced members in there clan just for the tourny, which is, half resonable.
but AFTER the first round, and AFTER the most of the clans feel up there weak link the the chain with someone better.
it seems that you can pull in and out anyone you want, and its ok, even though you can kick him right after.
rather if it allwo or not, its just dont feel right.
BUT, our clan still lose, cause most of the members were offline, so we couldnt more players then 2 at once. so it our fault in lost, but then again, if in some surprised way satha was not find 2 new recruits just one minute befor fight we could win and go to semi.
hope all will learn for the futur and maybe even some players will start to raise some dignety for them selfs and not mercenries.
thanks for the tourny
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@Alex
🙄 forget explanations we are talking about rules here, people(by that i mean the whole of gunrox) hardly follow them
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You guys know that if they had to use BOTH replacements right after round 1, then they are stuck with their current roster for the remainder of the tournament...
11. TR (KpuK[30], SaThaShMaI3aNa[35], Shura_1590[30])
That is, if the statement of single replacements is accurate, and not entire players.
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This tournemant is no more a clan tourney its just a mega-tourney.
Just a few clans start and play with real members.
Tr want to start just with 3 player.
-Beck-, Doreman80, SaThaShMal3aNa
Bers wrote talon just can enter if we do a participationlist. (Our members was posted before and we replace no member at our clan)
Now i see BELLADONA of swat (change clan before tourney) playing for tr.
I see kput and i see shura.
I know for example shura wasnt yesterday at clan of tr.
Strange first game of tr was won because using arts. 2nd match was won because breaking rules.
What a tourny. Start as an excellent idea but end whit scandals like the tour the france.
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Questionsss!!!
hello Guys..
I totaly agreed that Tr cheated ..first of all berserker said post the members list ...then substitute (only 2) replacements now the question is we can replace from the substitute a player or kick some one from clan and add a new one and lets play tourney..?? this is not replacment i think coz only substitute and the roster are allowed to play why someone from the other Clan..?? 😕😕
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Sad day that paraman and pimenta will play less after the tourny, I have also my doubts now hmm
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Well, the problem is I didn't well-thought out the possibility of joining players right before the battle, but since I specifically did not prohibited that in advance I cannot prohibit it after tournament started. Yeah, it is not very good, but if not for such last minute replacements this tournament would not happen at all since most clans are not organized enough to show up with whole team at the same time.
And final setup of each clan was defined right before first battle. I asked for lists of players to be posted in advance only as a sign that this clan is serious about playing, final lists were defined before first round as it is almost imposible to organize such a big number of people to come up at proper time just like it was posted.
Therefore switches were taken in account only if occured after first battle.
Being said that source of Pimenta's disappointment comes from the fact that Red Talons also wasn't organized well enough. If knutisgut and Talons_G_units would came today at the proper time they would have played better against TR. I can't see what's the fuss is all about. Ok, maybe my English wasn't good enough to communicate well, but Chicken seems to get spirit of the game correctly.
Hope this clears everything up.
P.S. This is first tourney of such kind and the fact that we managed to run it is a great accomplishment on its own.
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chicken seems to understand what the fuss is about and i guess/hope he'll explain to you.
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shura wasnt at clan of tr 16 hours ago and i believe he wasnt at the final lists of tr too.
We ask mods about 2nd round and they said sunday 14:00. After that our team goes offline and at evening we all was suprised the other finish the 2nd.
We ask for later time because we know we cant start at this time and you dont allow this but you allow replacemants.
Yes we know we just can start with sanyo / pim / lil at 14:00 GMT and from this we take our best constellation.
It seems Tr can't start with the first team too but they change the members of clan. We not only staha and another TR-Member play?
bers we just want from you be by fair with your rules and handling the tourney with the teams.
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knut,
true, official time of 2nd round is 14:00 GMT, but if other teams wanted to play it right away we arranged it, I do not blame you for not staying after 1st round but 2nd round time was official, if you were unable to play at that time you should have stayed for longer on Saturday.
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