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Gunblade
some of you probably have come across Gunblade in cash shop.
those of you who played final fantasy 7 probably recognized it, a very cool weapon indeed.
problem is, it doesn't really work well on gunrox,
not until it's balanced of course.
bers needs help in advice how to balance it, and that's where we come in ☺
at the moment, it is well known pistols are used almost exclusively by critical units, as it's a short range weapon and non critical units prefer AP bonus which mastery perks of melee and shotguns give. so pistols are even considered a choice only for units which dont use mastery for melee, and even then they are severely underpowered if it's not considered a critical unit.
a tank with 12 AP would always take melee over pistols, as melee have the huge edge of stun(which is a subject on it's own, as only stunning melee weapons are always the choice and people usually always take crowbar over machete or spanner over katana)
deciding the damage:
the most obvious thought would give gunblade the same damage berreta has in comparison with phyton.
but, if we look at berreta, it has silencer and laser pointer. gunblade has non of that.
of course gunblade has the blade, which is very strong, but critical units will never use melee as you must have decent hp to use melee. and buffing melee+pistols isn't even considered an option.
as i see it, gunblade should have the same properties of silencer and laser pointer(100% hit and +20% critical damage) even if you dont see them on the blade ☺ it IS a magical weapon from final fantasy, so it should have magical properties ☺
and, on very rare occasions, someone will get to hit melee with it, only as a bonus.
any other thoughts?
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Actually, I rather like it where it is right now. One hidden feature that we don't see is that the melee attack for the Gunblade attachment is 100% chance to hit (I've never used the gun before, but it does say 100% chance to hit on close range). A VERY nice alternate option of doing damage. We know that pistols and melee is not a very popular combination, but its nice to have some unorthodox combinations in this game i think.
If it is viewed as rather weak, perhaps just 1 or 2 points of damage will be sufficient for a change.
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you just didn't check it's current attributes...
it has much much lower damage than desert eagle.
as it is right now, desert eagle is a much stronger weapon than gunblade.
it's not even questionable it's not balanced at the moment, you can ask bers, he already tried it in battle ☺
even glock is better because it has almost the same damage regular and much more if a crit scores (with no skill glock has 15-23 damage and gunblade 16-26. in comparison, desert eagle has 25-35 damage with 3 AP instead of 2. of course with skill the damage difference becomes significantly higher in desert eagle's favour.), but because of the silencer, and of course laser pointer makes it flash/scratch proof.
it's not questioned that unorthodox combinations are welcomed, but only when there is a point of using them. noone will chooseto use gunblade, and those who would, will wish they could reskill, or just go back to desert eagle.
it sure looks cool, but it puts you at a severe disadvantage
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Well, I see where you are going with this...
I was looking at one thing. Comparing it with other 2AP pistols, not the 3AP pistols, because each have their own advantage/disadvantages...
One thing I did see was the change from Beretta 12-20 to Glock 15-23 after just 20 skill points. And after 40 more skill points max jumps only another 3 to the Gunblade 16-26. It would seem rather obvious that if the intention was to increase the damage increments equally along all stages that the Gunblade must be a max of 29 (not 26) with a minimum a little higher as well. I simply assumed he reduced it due to the 'melee' option as it was viewed as an asset to the gun in itself.
So, the Gunblade should be 20-29 dmg probably (assuming the other features stay the same)
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true, but dont forget, glock and berreta have laser pointers.
gunblade has only 75% to hit at skill 100... which means if you try to shoot 6 times with gunblade, only 4 will usually hit(and sometimes 5, but almost never ever 6) with glock/berreta you get 6 100% shots. of course if that unit gets flashed, the gunblade becomes useless.
another thing, is the silencer. for a critical unit, the silencer is the biggest reason to go for pistols as it gives 20% more critical power... not in gunblade... critical hits of gunblade give significantly lower damage than glock! which is a 2 levels lower weapon...
the blade doesn't come close to compansating these huge disadvantages.
that's why, the damage should be even higher than what you proposed, and it should have 100% hit.
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Well, I was assuming that the melee option was equal to the silencer/laser option. Given that berserker made it a melee add-on and not a silencer/laser. I am sure he assumed an equal value of the 2 styles. If the melee alternative is as good as the silencer/laser, than there is no point in arguing about the silencer as we could have a discussion on the melee.
Your point is clear. The silencer/laser appears to be BY FAR a better compliment to the pistol than the melee is. And I tend to agree with you. I am not arguing the power of the previous add-ons offered to the pistols. However, since I have not tried out the melee portion of that Gunblade, I cannot give a fair defense to the melee.
Having said that, I was simply comparing the damage increases from gun to gun, if we assume the add-ons are equal. Then we can make a viable comparison between guns.
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It is my strong recommendation that we simply add a laser pointer add-on for the Gunblade. No silencer is needed. After the laser pointer for Gunblade is added, I believe that we would then have a viable pistol that will be used more frequently.
I believe the melee option for the Gunblade is only as strong as the silencer. Yes, I know the gun comes with a built-in knife and the silencer must be found. Nevertheless, I think it must be done.
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No, there will be no laser pointers on 100+ pistols. BTW, we've increased damage for Gunblade in recent update so check it out now.
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gunblade has now the same damage ratio to desert eagle, as berreta has to phyton, but desert eagle is still way better for a critical unit than gunblade because it's silencer gives 20% more critical damage and it has a laser pointer.
if it's not a critical unit(which won't use pistols anyway) then gunblade has severe disadvantage because of it's very low chance to hit from 6-7 range and if the unit is flashed then bye bye to that pistol.
the blade is a very cute gimick, but it shouldnt ruin the weapon's balance. we'll see anyone trying to use gunblade will switch back to before he'll manage to say "Squall Leonhart" .
the punisher looks awesome now though 😁 though it would be interesting to find someone who'll spend 10 perks for it 😁
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No, there will be no laser pointers on 100+ pistols. BTW, we've increased damage for Gunblade in recent update so check it out now.
Looks good, thanks berserker.
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better than desert eagle?
nah gunblade is a funny gun i saw meyer shoots it.in pistol line nothing beats desrteagle,dont know bout panisher tho
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well, i saw live using punisher, and he was surely punishing with it ☺ a truely mean weapon.
about gunblade, i was thinking about making the blade with 50% critical chance, as well as adding a laser pointer to it. that would make the weapon an upgrade over desert eagle once and for all ☺
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