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Warning about Toxicity
You all probably know Toxicity - generally a good clan with nice people.. But when some of these people have bad games they do BAD things. This is not rule breaking or anything - but i'll tell the story and you be the judge - and be ware of these people in the future.
I was playing with Dr_atirador against Santiago and Radnar form toxicity. The game went better for us than for them, and at a certain point Santiago's team was dead and Radnar had one close to death guy left.
At that point Santiago asked me to collect his things and return them to him. This is a common situation from what i've seen, the fight is clearly over and one team collects the lost items for the other if they're generally in good relations.
In this situation the loser team doesn't chase blood.
I left Radnar's unit alive clearly on purpose to return his team mate's items, because i could not do both (the bag was too far). Radnar on his turn tried to kill my partner and failed by pure luck.. in my opinion this is breaking an unwritten social rule of Gunrox.
When i blamed them for it they both said the same thing:
Radnar claimed that he made no promisses, and that he and his team mate (who are BOTH toxicity clan and have a direct communication) are not answering for each other.
He said that the deal was between me and Santiago ONLY and that he carries no responsibility for it.
They knew i am leaving them alive on my turn only to help them by returning their items.
They claimed not to bare responsibility for each other's promisses.
They tried to kill my team mate after their unit was clearly left alive to comply with their request to return weapons.
This does not break any real rules.
But we careful when toxicity players lose games and ask for items back.
If getting their items per their request means leaving them alive they WILL try to kill you, and not even consider they did anything wrong.
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jajaja? k?
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jajaja? k?
The response of someone who has nothing to say? Or are you waiting to hear what your leader has to say about it first?
Because Both Radnar and Santiago had a lot to say.
P.S. I really like that picture in your signature, goes great with this post.
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Sticking up for Toxic.
OK, I know I have NO PART OF THIS, but I would like to stick up for Toxicity. I have many friends' in Toxic, and I won't leave them without a chance to defend themselves. ☺ I am sure Radnar knew that they had lost. What is wrong with killing one more unit when you know you are done? He failed at doing so anyway, so why compain? What were they suppose to do? I am sure it is not that big of a deal for killing another unit for a couple of more bonus XP. I don't know anything other than what you have posted, no screenshots I can go off of but I have had battle[s] with Radnar and he is fair player. Don't criticize him for trying killing units. You said that you would collect Santiago's weapons. Nothing about Radnar... he did what he could do from what you post. I am sure that Toxic will raid this forum but I justed wanted to have a say in this because I have many friend[s] in Toxic. 😁
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What is wrong with killing one more unit when you know you are done?
What wrong is that he was left alive with clear purpose to return his friends' items PER request of his friend.
I had the choice to kill him and end the game that turn or to do what Santiago asked me to and return his items.
Doing them a favor almost got my team mate killed.
His wounded unit was not in sight, mine was.. He specifically chased the wounded one to try get the kill. The only reason he didn't kill is a scratch.
And his comment on that was that he did not promise anything. As if he and his team mate are not communicating at all.
Oh and Toxicity get all the chances they want and don't want to "defend" themselves.. This is a public forum.
But you saw their first reply here. Some sort of clownlike mockery.
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Ok.
I really think you are making too much of a deal of this. You should be thankful you won a battle against these two players from Toxic, and not complaining about your teammate losing a unit. 😁 Next time make better decisions about risking units if you want to collect other team's items. ☺
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I thought my silly response was warrented by the silly post it followed. A in game misunderstanding hardly deserves a forum post IMO.
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This is what you don't get. This was not a missunderstanding, it was an intended scam in my honest opinion.
The thing is - I used to consider the toxic players as friends, and both Santiago and Radnar were well aware of it. Santiago knew that if he asks for his items i will do what he asks and not kill Radnar's last unit, and they abused it to try and get an under the belt hit by killing my partner before the end.
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To say this is a planned "scam" is absurd. I'll not be discussing this any further. Have fun and enjoy. ;-|
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Being the accused party in this instance I feel that I should make a couple of quick comments.
To begin with I'd like to state that I, like many, value integrity. If I have given my word in regards to something then the person(s) I have given said word to can be sure I will keep it. This said, unless I expressly agree to it I don't consider myself bound by any kind of agreement made between other parties/players.
What Gargamel has said in respect to my attempting to kill one of his team-mate's units is true. Santiago asked if his Colt (I believe it was) could be returned and Gargamel agreed upon it. This was an agreement made between the two of them and Gargamel chose to act on it. I felt (and still feel) I had/have no part of it. I can't control the actions of either of those two any more than they can control mine. So, did I try and kill another player's unit? Certainly. Do I feel it was wrong? Not at all, as I made no promise in any regard.
Now, after the match Gargamel had, shall we say, some choice words for me. I was, naturally, upset. I talked with a clan-mate about it and after our discussion I could see how it could be perceived that the word of one member of Toxicity (or any clan for that matter) would apply to all in the clan. It makes sense from a perspective (though one which I don't totally share). However, I feel that I (and others) should be counted as individuals. If I have a pattern of good or bad behavior, I should be rewarded or punished (as an individual) as the situation demands. The same applies, on a slightly larger scale to any clan.
So, now that I've made (I hope) my views clear, I'd like to leave off with this. Gargamel, I'm sorry if you feel wronged by my actions. I can assure you that should we ever play together again I would not repeat it as you've made quite clear what your stance is. I can see your perspective a bit better now even if I don't agree with it. This said, I feel that your accusation against myself and my clan-mates is both baseless and slanderous and I'll thank you to not repeat any of it ever again. An apology for the insults leveled against myself and my friends would be appreciated.
P.S. _Explosion_ many thanks to you for the kind words.
Edited 9 minutes later by Radnar.
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No more shall be posted of this. Any problems can be handled by a couple pm's. Feel free to contact to any of us.
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I understand your frustration what you meant by that, This clan is generally known to say that in the end to collect their stuff and give it to them, and usually they all talk alot during the match -.-' and by that i mean very much, whatever the case, you should be on your guard, these people(not on toxicity) use the term friendly in the game, but this game is no way what so ever friendly currently, honestly i have brother and even he decides to cheat on me at times here, you should never ever trust the one your fighting in the match no matter who they are.
PS i think this topic will get locked soon
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It is not "this clan".. I saw it many times that people ask for their EQ back when the outcome of a game is determined.
When the players on defeated team are 'friends' in the game it is more than a reasonable request which i am more than willing to comply with.
However in a situation like that i expect the oposit team to not chase the blood if they were left alive for another turn for the sole purpose of complying with their request.
In this case i had all 3 of my units within attack range from Radnar's unit and could finish it right then and there, but would not be able to do what Santiago asked me, so i left him alive and went to get Santiago's things for Santiago.
Radnar in his turn used that fact to try and kill my team mate's wounded unit.
If you expect me to buy that "we don't stand for each other" you're wrong. I know how well toxicity is coordinated. when you're in a game you know exactly what each of you is doing. I was amazed by it when i played with you. So when i see this happen i see a low down atempt to steal an unfair kill by using my past affection for you.
So don't expect an appology Radnar, i stand by everything i said to you and about you and your patronizing "inocent" post doesn't change that. You abused my trust and although this doesn't break any of the written rules, this is a low act, and your excuse for it makes it even lower considering what i said above.
And since you as individual belong to a group by shared agreement of both you and that group, your actions as individual are projected on them as well as theirs are projected on you - If there would be a discontent by either of the sides regarding the other's actions you would not belong to that group, so all that part i simply consider another low down attempt to twist what is real to protect your possition
And Bee dude, if your brother cheats you, thats bad :P
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😝 no worries man he never wins anyway 😉
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Next time before trying to give someone a bad name, make sure all parties agree with something first.
Also if I remember correctly me and u gargamel played a game 2x1 where I called for weapons back when I made a mistake and you lied to me and didn't give anything back.
So sorry man you have no room to complain about this subject.
You have lied to players about weapons back in the past.
So again before pointing fingers, I think you should look to your past deeds and perhaps blame your own karma for what happened here. 🙄
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Get your story straight, i never played with you or against you. If you call me a lier bring a proof... you just further prove my point that Toxicity are all nice and friendly when they have things going their way and turn into a lying bunch of pitty scammers once things turn otherwise.
And in fact i gave Santiago's colt back to him as well despite the scam he and Radnar tried to pull, although it was more for a purpose of throwing it at him with outmost disrespect than being 'nice'
If i ever agreed to give weapons back and didn't it was because i was unable to collect them. Although there's enough times when someone asked and i didn't agree to that.
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toxics have dignity and honnor, they are good players and they keep their words and know how to lose without loosing their honor so they may win the same way. gargamel you better take it to a battlefield 😁
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